Off-Limit (Physical) Caches

[NWOBEAR]

SCC 2010

Off-Limit (Physical) Caches
By submitting a cache listing, you assure us that you have adequate permission to hide your cache in the selected location. However, if we see a cache description that mentions ignoring "No Trespassing" signs (or any other obvious issues), your listing may be immediately archived. We also assume that your cache placement complies with all applicable laws. If an obvious legal issue is present, or is brought to our attention, your listing may be immediately archived.

Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not exhaustive):

Caches on land managed by an agency that prohibits geocaches, such as the U.S. National Park Service or U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (National Wildlife Refuges).
Caches that are buried. If a shovel, trowel or other "pointy" object is used to dig, whether in order to hide or to find the cache, then it is not appropriate.
Caches that deface public or private property, whether a natural or man-made object, in order to provide a hiding place, a clue or a logging method.
Caches placed in areas which are highly sensitive to the extra traffic that would be caused by vehicles and humans (examples may include archaeological or historic sites or  >:(cemeteries ).
Caches hidden in close proximity to active railroad tracks. In the United esStates we generally use a distance of 150 ft (46 m) but your local area’s trespassing laws may be different. All local laws apply.
Caches near or on military installations.
Caches near, on or under public structures deemed potential or possible targets for terrorist attacks. These may include but are not limited to highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary schools, and  >:(airports .
There may be some exceptions. If your cache fits within one of the above areas, please explain this in a note to the reviewer.  :)If you are given permission to place a cache on private property, indicate this on the cache page for the benefit of both the reviewer and people seeking out the cache.

After seeking 2 of the rural caches I realized they have been placed on private property, by looking at the other coordinates there are more. Please ensure you are on CROWN land or have permission for your cache and post it.
-5  points for all illegitmate caches 

[Mechman]

...you sound a little disgruntled??

[JosAub]

...you sound a little disgruntled??

Sorta.. and I don't want to stir up a hornets nest, but I am rather curious about this one thing and have to ask about it.

I understand that caching brings about more traffic, and that might be seen as needless wear and tear on cemetery grounds, but what sort of legislation is there around this in Ontario?  Is it written down somewhere, or is it just a generally agreed upon point by geocachers here?

We did a fair bit of caching in Alabama recently, and there it seemed the Cemeteries were probably the most likely location to find a cache.  It gave you a taste of history, and it was an excuse to do a little CITO, straighten wreaths etc. as a bit of respect for those entombed there.  Often there in the cache descriptions there were mini history lessons, or touching memorials written for people.  I actually really enjoyed getting to stroll around and visit these sites.

So its left me kind of curious why Cemetery caches are a local taboo, if not altogether disallowed.

I've been trying to read up about it some on groundspeak's forums, but can't find anything specific to our area.
All I do see is a lot of talk about how some states outlaw "playing of games" in cemeteries , and how in others it is up to the caretaker of the cemetery, and still in other cases the descendants of those resting in the specific plot that would need to give consent for the cache placement.

[hunter-killer]

Have to agree with bear. Man did we have a run in with a property owner today while looking for Winter Warmth. Apparently the land owners business deals with "sensitive work and Info" (wonder what that is?) We were read the riot act and the land lease agreement and every other agreement you can imagine.  Did you know that land can be private property, and it does not have to be posted, but you can be legally charged with trespassing if you are found there without permission??? We do now.  Winter warmth has been archived, and we came out without being charged with trespassing. Horrid experience, so be sure that your placements are legal. Good grief what a day. We just wanted to find an Fn cache.

[Mechman]

Most people would be pretty reasonable if you explained and apologized I suppose.  Sounds like this guy was just an arse.

[Get_Off_The_Paved]

Well I have to say sorry to H-K for there find today.  I guess you really have to pay attention to cache placement, even if it seems like a safe place ( as on the edge of the road within a couple feet of the road right away).  Most people are understanding as in the event while we we're wondering around looking for  "A tie that binds" and turns out that it is private property but with much more understanding owners and no problem.  Guess we all have to watch cache placement as there is more then one guy out there protecting there "business".

[hunter-killer]

We tried to be diplomatic about it, explained geocaching, hell we even had the geocaching pamphlet,  but man this seemed like the owner was hiding something. I was actually scared. Drugs and grow opp came to mind, even though the guy was in a suit and tie. Sopranos?

[shroomAzoom]

I've had more than one cache that I've placed on private property without realizing it. Both times, the land owners contacted me through geocaching, and asked me to remove it. They were very polite, one even expressed an interest in caching and went out and found a few. I, of course, removed them right away.

I did have an experience with a fellow cacher once who took it upon themselves to be the geocaching police, and they read me the riot act online and in public. In real life, great person. Too bad sometimes we (as geocachers) can be our own worst enemies. I would have much preferred it if they had contacted me privately to let me know of my mistake, the cache would have been removed just as fast.